Bureau of Economic Analysis, and many other Federal agencies and private shows that much of what they print is politically driven. In some cases, too, these bogus ex-warriors are motivated by guilt - a gnawing feeling that they should have fought in America's longest war, psychologists and veteran counselors say. Whenever I mention Vietnam service, I always point them to the 187th AHC web page. It is totally made up, apparently to push the author's and other veterans political or emotional agenda.The same goes for Don Shipley and his alleged 10 million fake Navy Seals. Joining is simple and . Report comments that violate these rules. After the show aired, several Iraq veterans wrote to the Guardian of Valor. Someone 01 The Vietnam War lasted almost 20 years. The increase in their ranks in recent years corresponds with a positive shift in public sentiment about Vietnam vets and a wave of books, television shows and movies about the war, such as the motion picture 'Platoon. His story was detailed, yet he under played his role. Some records burned; those that survived give no hint that he ever left the United States. That in no way suggests dismissing most Roswell witnesses. I was thinking, Theres something wrong here.. It is headed by Bob Castagna of Talent, Ore., whose been accused of being a bogus combat vet himself. Vietnam War veterans, and their families, are being invited to this event to be held at the National Mall on May 11, 12, and 13. By Elizabeth Becker . The following year, Alvarez was sentenced to more than 400 hours of community service, three months probation and fined $5,000 for violating the Stolen Valor Act a 2005 federal law named for Burketts book. Most claim to have been on a ship in the South China Sea, but never got near the country. I was able to chase it to a survey paid for by the Fund for Vietnam Veterans so it wasnt just the census; a fine point I agree but the census did figure into the statistics.So we can continue this no we cant because Im not going to play anymore. copies of the VFW magazine or the ROA magazine so that we can see if they that in the 2000 census the number had jumped to 14 million, but again, this veterans of which according to other sources, about 2.7 actually served in Additionally, the American War Library approximated that around 164,000 Americans who served at . Marshal Hanson (and apparently quoted by every vet site as complete gospel), he provides the U.S. Census as the source, just like everybody else:www.veteranstoday.com/2009/02/26/vietnam-facts-vs-fiction/Had you read my post, you would have seen that I quoted this source, including its negative note at the end that was highlighted in yellow and typed in boldface. There were an estimated 58,318 U.S. soldier casualties alone. 'I'm not going to say we don't care. Someone says, Hey, Joe, youre of the age for Vietnam. 'My sense is that it has been steadily increasing over the past five years,' said Dr. Greg Andersen, assistant director of the VA hospital in Menlo, Park, Calif. 'They generally fall into two categories: Those who want to enhance the image of themselves, and those trying to prey off the public.'. Published Sep 24, 2018. Last winter, John Maughn contacted a veterans' group in Atlanta and begged for help. I could not believe it. looked at. In 2003, he addressed a rally in Bridgeport, where about 100 military. I run into far more than my share of World War II fakers, said Sterner. Torres came back Monday with a U.S. birth certificate it was fake, but for a good cause, he thought. But he'd like it if some of this eased up. The work led to 48 arrests, the VA recovered $562,888, and authorities levied $1.23 million in fines. He was a stateside Marine. WASHINGTON -- There is a growing army of imposters hustling for glory, compassion, hand-outs or sometimes just work by posing as Vietnam combat veterans, experts say. Burkett, but flights of fancy can also be shot down. but then remembered that if you set foot in a combat zone even for an hour or At the same time, she said, I think it is possible that in some cases, theyve told the lie for so long, and its so integrated into their perceptions of their life experiences, that, psychologically, its almost like a truth, because if theyve been telling the lie for a long time, then they dont have the challenge of someone whos making it up for the first time.. Khe Sanh was one of the war's bloodiest battles -- hundreds of Marines were killed -- but the only killing Yandle was intimately familiar with was the June 1972 slaying of 65-year-old shopkeeper Joseph Reppucci in a Boston liquor store. They range from the one time publisher of a Phoenix newspaper I called my alleged Ranger back, said I wanted to clear up the unit name and asked him twice to repeat it. 03 North Vietnam sent an estimated 700,000 troops into war. 'In Vietnam, it just took longer to emerge.'. the giveaway as to their agenda because, as a Vietnam Vet I know that most of 'It was out of the high esteem that I hold for you that I took your honor as my own and in doing so did you a grave injustice.'. Vietnam War Veterans, and honoring all who served: Memorial Day 2021 We would like to show you a description here but the site won't allow us. I retired in the year 2001. DURING THIS CENSUS COUNT, the number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country is: 13,853,027. ', 'For years, Vietnam vets were portrayed as crazies. Burkett candidly admits he's not a writer. Blumenthal's Words Differ From His History - The New York Times "What he is trying to do, at considerable risk to himself, is to say that this service means something, and by letting just anyone stand up and claim these honors, you're diminishing the real value of those who did serve. In Atlanta, VVA chapter officer Ashe estimates that about 20 percent of the up to 200 men who contacted his group since December, saying they are combat vets and asking for help, were frauds. I did provide some information from reliable sources about the large number of fakers and all you need to do is type Stolen Valor into your search engines and you'll find name after name.Shipley's web site and other sources supports the idea that there are, literally, thousands claiming to be SEALs who were not. Census is not something that I was able to do. Same for number of active duty personnel during this period (in No. They are NOT to be used for official government findings Scam artists will try anything, sad to say. what I think happened. It takes the heart of a Warrior to find deception and take it down. 'Three years ago, I didn't see any. address this in a comment rather than a new post so not to annoy those of you Moskos, now 65, comes from a 1950s generation of young men to whom military service was a given. That is the one common thread., In Burketts mind, most fakers do so because of low self-esteem. 87% of Americans hold Vietnam Veterans in high esteem. There they can find independent confirmation of my service as a helicopter pilot and aircraft commander.The other thing is that if you ask the impostor for names of places, unit designations, or other information, they are often hard pressed to come up with any sort of intelligent answer. And, oh by the way, a Purple Heart and a few other honors earned. This is They want to be around real vets,' said Martin. But, some of them are so good that they have done the research though once one of them told me he had been a door gunner with the Hornets at the time I was a pilot in the unit. Too good to be true! In 1999, Donald R. Nicholson, the police chief of Amelia, Missouri, in the 1980s, admitted that he had lied about being a Vietnam veteran and a prisoner of war to obtain better veterans benefits. 'My pretense took on a life of its own and almost became real. https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/ag-schneiderman-announces-settlements-vietnam-veterans-charity-and-its-founderNY Atty General: This Organization Took Advantage Of The Good Will Of MILLIONS Yet Failed To Fulfill Nearly All Of Its Promises To Help Those Who Have Sacrificed For Our Nation.If Beaton and the VVF are the original source of the Census claim, they are hardly a good source. Heres 'I have always attempted to be the best at whatever I undertook, but in this instance, I guess I felt what I actually did was not enough, so I pretended to be something I wasn't,' Switzler said. It's not just Vietnam fakers: there was a USA Today story some years back about phony Gulf War vets. The point is the magazine has a political agenda. It doesn't seem to exist. Thank you for acknowledging that the actual U.S. Census data does NOT support the claim that the Census has shown 13-14 million people claiming to have been in-country Vietnam vets, or over 10 million fakers (since only about 2.7 million served in-country).For one thing, the claim was always impossible since I am unable to find any question in the ACTUAL Census that asks whether people served in-country. Burkett, Chronicle News Services, Associated Press photos, Unmasking Phony `Vietnam Vets' / Fakes big factor in negative image, Texas author finds, Dubs fans picking apart video of possible Poole-Draymond incident, Bay Area preschool teacher suspected of dumping body along road, Bay Area mom influencer found guilty of lying about kidnapping, More rain, 'unseasonably chilly' temperatures coming to Bay Area, 'Horrible': Oakland rapper dumps on Chase Center Warriors fans, Destructive landslide closes historic California institution, 49ers out in full force at Warriors-Kings Game 7, Sold-out Berkeley crowd gets rowdy at country star's concert, Shock, fear as 2 killings in 3 days rock quiet Davis. How Many Vietnam Veterans are Alive Today? - CherriesWriter The only number coming out of the census was 8.5 million Vietnam era veterans of which according to other sources, about 2.7 actually served in Vietnam. When I started noticing all the Vietnam Veteran hats I was perplexed. He is back in prison. With the Pentagon Papers revelations, the U.S. public's trust in the government was forever diminished. How Many Vietnam Veterans Are Still Alive? - MilitaryPerson.com They got in the door with computer-generated or -altered discharge papers known as DD 214 forms. This is described as , Statistical Abstract of the United States. Smith calls the phenomenon the 'Tail-Gunner Joe Syndrome,' named for Joe McCarthy, the former flag-waving senator from Wisconsin who tried to rid America of communists in the 1950s. Intercepted: Virtue Signaling as a War Policy Along the way, Burkett has picked up a few enemies: "There had been some threats, and the brokers and secretaries were afraid of being killed, so they moved me way down the hall to this office." You can reject, out of hand, the 13 million figure and the military web sites that use it, but I have traced it to its point of origin which was a survey conducted by The Vietnam Veterans Fund and by Captain Scott Beaton so that we have a good source on it.I reject out of hand because there is no evidence to support the statistic, certainly not in the source ALWAYS given (U.S. Census). After the war ended, reports began to circulate of veterans so depraved from their war experiences that they turned to crime, with estimates of the number of incarcerated Vietnam veterans as high as . claiming Vietnam service who were not there and that there are many claiming DePaulo says its not surprising a person already held in high esteem would choose to fabricate a military background. Natural attrition through mortality should have reduced the number to around 8.2 million surviving Vietnam era vets. And Shipley's estimate of 1000 times the true number is also made up and worthless, not based on anything other than Shipley wanting to believe there is some sort of Navy Seal imposter epidemic.Just as a basic gut check that these huge numbers are preposterous, how many people have any of us run into bragging about being Navy Seals or in Vietnam? Burkett predicted that half would be frauds. On the other side of the coin the VA on their site www.va.gov/vetdata/veteran_population.asp offers a Excel worksheet that shows only 6,673,279 Vietnam era vets believed still living as of 2014. I Other careers, in a variety of fields, have been damaged by similar disclosures. I asked the spokesman if he had a unit roster of some sort. For further reading, William McMichael recommends: Stolen Valor: How the Vietnam Generation Was Robbed of Its Heroes and Its History, by B.G. I think you can find fakers very far back, said Bella DePaulo, a visiting professor of social psychology at the University of California, Santa Barbara, who studies the communication of deception. much of this other than there were 2.7 million service members who were Now, extrapolate that across the nation, and imagine the millions of dollars that this runs into.. A total of 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam era, with over 2,709,000 Americans serving in Vietnam, about 9.7% of the generation.Vietnam Veterans by State 2022. The branch insignia: The branch insignias should match. Telling war stories is as old as war itself, says author B.G. Im not sure why this has become such an issue here but I Records showed the actor had spent his 1959-63 stint as a peacetime Marine, playing football for the Corps on Okinawa. Vietnam Veterans Against the War: Commentary: Fake Vets Chasing Fame - VVAW He wasnt a Vietnam veteran, Burkett said. The Blue Jays fired him in March. since 1980.But AGAIN no 13 to 14 million Vietnam vets based on alleged Census surveys. Kristofer Goldsmith, the former chief investigator for the Vietnam Veterans of America, spent years researching how disinformation - including Pro-Trump propaganda - has targeted veterans. I'm interested in real vets who have their own problems.'. A judge sentenced Cooley to two years probation, a $5,000 fine and 100 hours of community service. Nothing had changed, and I saw that the damned press and the public believes this bull--. According to the inflated faker statistics, they would represent about 7% of all adult males, or 1 in 14 men we would run into. Although it was said that no reputable site had posted Stolen Valor "It was so difficult. Thats not true. By fits and starts, Burkett learned how to investigate. Burkett, who served as an Army lieutenant in Vietnam during the war -- he stresses he was no hero and simply did his job as an ordnance officer -- has investigated more than 2,000 cases and found. Now I see one every six weeks,' said Larry Slessler, head counselor at the Southern Oregon Veterans Outreach Center in Medford, Ore. Nor has military fakery been limited to Americans. First, Vietnam Veterans represent the largest cohort of American Veterans in . He had claimed he flew According to the American War Library, as of February 28, 2019, it is estimated that approximately 610,000 Americans who served in land forces during the Vietnam War or in air missions over Vietnam between 1954 and 1975 are still alive to this day. A raspy voice inquired: Are you all still collecting D-Day stories? And rather than doing the hard work of actually trying to become that person, they just do a shortcut of claiming to be that person., DePaulo believes that most people who tell such lies probably are doing so consciously. I believe the numbers.If I can meet that many phonies in my very small community, I believe the numbers completely. More than 3.4 million deployed to Southeast Asia (1) and approximately 2.7 million of those served in the Republic of Vietnam (2). whole record for the breakdown of the numbers. In 2000, upon hearing that the Library of Congress had launched its Veterans History Project, Burkett asked administrators if they were verifying any of the vets records. You have extrapolated meaning into somewhat innocuous sentences. I was a Ranger. "In every statistical category that we looked at," he says, "Vietnam veterans were superlative -- their desertion and court martial rates were much lower (than in prior wars) -- and when I started looking at individual cases, I'd find vets who were valedictorians or football stars. The share of veterans ages 50 to 69 is expected to shrink from 36% to 33%, while the share of those 70 and older is predicted to . A Different Perspective with Kevin Randle Interview - CURT COLLINS - Saucers That Time Forgot. In 2007 the effort snagged eight people who were receiving VA compensation for combat injuries, although none had served in combat and two had never served in the military. I must say I never ever thought anyone would falsely claim to have been in Vietnam. There are no firm estimates on the number of fake combat vets. The second you tell people that you are a veteran, they look at you differently. I personally believe there are as many American males claiming military service falsely as there are living veterans in America, said B.G. However, veterans groups estimate that today approximately 9 to 12 million Americans fraudulently claim they served in Vietnam. Web. and Capt. Burkett -- his parents nicknamed him Jug, in honor of a favorite golf pro -- has spent the past 13 years unmasking hundreds of men around the country who have claimed to be Vietnam veterans, Vietnam heroes, Vietnam- post-traumatic-stress-psychos, the guys you read about in the papers ("Viet Vet Kills 14 in Post Office Rampage") and see on the median strip of Van Ness Avenue, wearing signs over their tattered fatigues that proclaim, "Vietnam Vet -- Will Work for Food. In an interview with UPI, Castagna said he was a Marine during the Vietnam era, but refused to say if saw combat. The census count in 1995 apparently But in a broader sense, DePaulo said, people lie for the same reasons, no matter what they claim to be. Marshal Hanson, USNR (Ret.) 76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/working class backgrounds. So I turned the television on and checked the local news. I have been unable to find that precise survey, but this seems to be the place where the 13,853,027 number of impostors comes from. 19 Million Viewers Watched His Story Start To Finish (David Hoffman) How many soldiers died on their first day in Vietnam? A couple of weeks before June 6, 1994, I was at my desk when the phone rang. bio to reflect his service in the Vietnam era and before anyone says much Vietnam Veterans - Veterans Affairs However, veterans groups estimate that today approximately 9 to 12 million Americans fraudulently claim they served in Vietnam. (At other sites, the claim is the 1990 or 2000 CENSUS) I just posted a link with results to the 1995 Census Statistical Abstract of the United States, upon which Beaton claims the statistics resides, and as proven by the Census document itself, there is NO SUCH NUMBER, only the number of living active duty vets during Vietnam. Mr . In 1995, Burkett helped an Oregon newspaper uncover Republican U.S. Rep. Wes Cooley's false claims of Army service in the Korean War. As for phony Vietnam veterans, I still meet them all the time. They said, All credit and research to: Capt. Yep, that was my outfit, he said. That same web site published an article, Who Are the Real Viet 568 & 569 can be found some statistics on the number of soldiers serving in Vietnam year by year and total number of active duty personnel during the Vietnam era, just as found in other statistical surveys published by the Census Bureau. Case in point, and perhaps the one for which Burkett is best known: In the early 1990s, Joseph Yandle, a man serving life without parole in Massachusetts for his part in a murder-robbery, began a campaign, soon picked up by the Boston Globe, to have his sentence commuted. It also notes that information on total personnel abroad (Vietnam and elsewhere) was not available.Finally No. He talks too much.'. few: http://www.uswings.com/about-us-wings/vietnam-war-facts/, http://www.military.com/forums/0,15240,84591,00.html, http://www.veteranstoday.com/2009/02/26/vietnam-facts-vs-fiction/. His was the classic story, embraced and portrayed by the media in endless permutations until it became the stuff of legend. Quora - A place to share knowledge and better understand the world It's not as widespread as it was the first 10-30 years immediately after the war,its still out there. I did (it) when I was young and stupid - to impress people.". from it to arrive at the 9.4 million. But at the dedication ceremony, despite the hundreds of "normal-looking" vets in the audience -- suits, jackets, neckties on some -- the television news teams immediately gravitated toward "the guys in fatigues and boony hats, the bearded bums. 'I think this is part of the same phenomenon of human nature that we have seen since the times of the Romans and Greeks,' he said. They have a lower unemployment rate than the same non-vet age groups. I did find a claim Yandle apologized publicly and was returned to prison. A Department of Defense report suggested that the total number of service members serving during the war was 8,744,000 but this might have included Reserve and National Guard as well as active duty and it also includes the veterans who actually served in country.According to those same DoD figures, 3,403,000 were actually deployed into Southeast Asia, which includes some 700,000 who were not in Vietnam but stationed in Thailand, Guam and the deep water Navy.
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