Look at the fruits of the bishops catechesis for the last 40 years. What Bishop would stop Christians from praying the Rosary, Chaplet of Divine Mercy and many Holy prayers there, in pouring rain, sleet, thunderstorms, frigid, & hot temperature together? He was cited for canon law violations so egregious that he was severely rebuked by Rome. Read it again with the understanding that canonically ite is a warning, not an official condemnation, for if it were that the word would be used. @LizEst:disqus, if you would like, please feel free to E-mail me privately. Christ DEPENDS on us to be His Hands, His Voice, His Presence in this world that needs Him so much. If the apparatitions turn out to be true then you will have ignored them for a false reason, which does not seem to bother you. I lost my father to this place simply because the visionary and other devoted followers made him feel special and important. We need to pray for our bishops in this country. When has Jesus rejected His own authority that of the Catholic Church? In 2005 an article inThe Plain Dealernewspaper of Cleveland, OH reported on this ministry and its many suspicious claims: The ministry changed locations and names several times and Sweeney-Kyle even changed husbands, divorcing and then remarrying two years later. I fear that many, enthralled by what they believe to be a miraculous site, will disregard the Church. My point in bringing this up is that the corruption within the body of bishops is at an all time high. ps. The Tree is known by it s fruit!Holy Love has grown many, many Great Holy Fruits! We have NOT fulfilled Our Ladys requests to honor her on the Five First Saturdays. so-called apparitions at Bayside (Vernoica Leuken) never uses the word From EWTN document PRIVATE REVELATIONS AND DISCERNMENT OF SPIRITS: The objection will be raised: The Church was so slow in approving Fatima, and so people lost so many graces while waiting. Moreover, the people at the site have not taken a vow of obedience to the Bishop, thus they are obliged to follow their conscience. Defense of Holy Love Ministries is defense of the Catholic Faith. One does not need to be under the local ordinary to teach the Faith. You are judging that my heart is hardened. July 2019: You will be persecuted because of your faith. Under investigation for what? I will say that HLM has saved themselves much wrangling by becoming ecumenical. Its indicative of the state of todays Church, todays Catholics, that so many are taken in by this drivel. It is not inconceivable to me that when tens of thousands of people gather in one place to praise God and pray the Rosary (like at Conyers, or other alleged sites) that perhaps God does indeed manifest Himself there in some greater way regardless of whether or not the visionary is authentically representing Him; and that therefore people will leave those places with some kind of sign, greater awareness, spiritual healing,etc.. Yes, it is condemned. Resist him, firm in faith (1 Pet. 3221 came right back to me saying (words to the effect) that it did happen even if I couldnt verify it!!!!!!!!!!! For the record, I have not deleted anyones comments. Another person said that her fallen-away Catholic friend that once ridiculed the site became a believer. When a bishop does not uphold the true Faith, ac cording to Deitrich von Hildebrand, he loses his authority to represent the Church, and instead represents his own novelty. He continues to explain that those Catholic who oppose heretical bishops are the true members of the Church. First of all, the Bishop of the diocese in which HLM is, has been unable to CONDEMN HLM because there is no heresy being promulgated there.. Condemnation would be a canonical act and it is not warranted because there is no heresy being preached there. In regards to judging authenticity when it comes to mystics and visionaries, obedience is the litmus test of the Church. Faith is greater than obedience. I fear that many, enthralled by what they believe to be a miraculous site, will disregard the Church. 3221, have you actually studied the Churchs theology of private revelation? The Book Club at Roman Catholic Spiritual Direction: (http://rcspiritualdirection.com/blog/2012/12/04/csd-book-club-announcing-our-next-book-3/comment-page-1#comment-12621) will begin reading that very book this coming week. God loves prayers and wants us to love Him back. Let this knowledge and call guide your free will choices You cannot redefine My Commandments to suit your lifestyle When My Justice comes it will be swift and complete Bigger trials are coming in the future, Patti. Most of the messages are even similar to Medjugorje. And thats just the very recent stuff. Your name kind of rings a bell. I would point out a little known text entitled, Faith is Greater than Obedience by Fr. Let it go, Mary. It is just that the handwriting is on the wall for all to see, if they choose to look. Visions are not like sacraments, which produce their effect by their own power (that is, the power of Christ working through them) in those who do not place an obstacle. He speaks through His Church. Bishops have not taught the truth Faith for so long that something like 80% of Catholics do not believe in the real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist.You seem to think that obedience to a heretical bishop is the way to prove you are catholic. Catholicism never changes its dogma, never changes what it believes and teaches for the sake of ecumenism. We have a similar situation in your trouble with consecration to the Cross. I was joined by 3,500 other pilgrims who had congregated to see if the Virgin Mary would appear as purported locutionist Stephen Marino had reported she would. Im a devout Roman Catholic 34 yr. old mother of 4 and my kids and I love Holy Love. Amen." Perhaps Bishop Lennon had something like the above in mind when he condemned S-Ks claims? He evidently does not realize that learning the full and true Faith as it is given to us by the Magisterium of the Catholic Church takes priority over obedience to him. The graces are always here despite controversies fanned by falsehoods. In absolutely no instance will you find calls to disobey the Church or Church leaders, or words that ask for adherence to a particular apparition site. This has all been said. You may have the trappings of it, but the Church is where the true Faith is taught, preserved, and nurtured in God and for God in order to lead us to God.. You keep following your canon law rule book, and you will still be studying it when the Church is underground and Mass is no longer available, nor the Holy Eucharist worshiped and LOVED in the institutional Church. Perhaps you didnt know that what you said wasnt true. They do not comprehend the reality of sinthey have never been taught itand, consequently, they see no need for the magnificent sacrament of Confession. It matches all the traditional criteria for condemnation. The so-called Jesus of these so-called apparitions claims to have a six-chambered heart, despite the fact that there are only four chambers in the human heart. You are too funny 3221! Holy Mother Church is indeed wise. Does Bishop Lennon have serious concerns about his pattern of lying that has been documented from his time in Boston where he participated fully in the cover up of literally thousands of sexual abuse cases and which continued here in Ohio? The saints and angels relaying the messages, or Mary- or maybe even Christ Himself? What was that you said earlier about leaving ones interior life to themselves and God, 3221? After Thomas challenged my article, I wrote to Fr. It is called bitterness. Very interesting; Id like to visit it someday since its relatively close to me. A trip to the confessional is not a bad thing either. The Church is very clear in her language and Bishop Lennon went as far as he could go without being out of line canonically. Yet, if everyone had awaited an official pronouncement from the Church, the 60,000 people that witnessed the Miracle of the Sun in Fatima, Portugal would have stayed home that day. Im officially done (I think) discussing this with 3221. But Holy Love's response urging the faithful to disregard their bishop's counsel is quite telling. (Fr. God bless youand Blessed Advent! The argument is as follows: Bishop Lennon only admonishes the faithful from going to HLM. The Church is where the full Catholic Faith is being taught and upheld. The Church, guided by the Holy Spirit, always looks below the surface because all that glitters isnt gold and regardless of how many people visit or how many statues are erected or rosaries said, it does not constitute proof. If you are a fruit of Holy Love and are now slamming the Popes, I rest my point. The Bishop of the diocese has requested that no Masses be offered on the property of Holy Love and he has requested that the priests under his jurisdiction do not go there. The so-called 'Confraternity of the United Hearts of Jesus and Mary' is not an approved association of the Catholic faithful, the alleged apparitions and locutions are not of a supernatural nature, the sacraments are not to be celebrated at the site of Holy Love Ministries, and the Catholic faithful are admonished to cease gathering for Wish my parish would be so eager to do this. That, friends, is calumny (as it was in print) and character assassinationSIN. If the local bishop, after investigating, finds nothing supernatural, he will issue a decree of constat de non supernaturalitate(the supernatural is not established) to help warn and protect the faithful. You need it. (Medjugorie). The full teachings of the our beautiful Faith are so often NOT being taught at all. You will be unable to show me one half truth. No, John Leary, who claims to be receiving messages from Jesus, Mary and the saints, does not have Church approval. . Nothing more happened. But maybe that you are also skeptical. From the book: the demon is always actively watching people and he gets pleasure when he see that they are not faithful to God and, as a result, take his sideHe wants humankind to rebel against God as well, and this is the one accusation that he can level against an individual at the Last Judgment that has the most weight (in Chapter 14, Windows to the Soul). I just didnt see the word condemned in the citation I linked to. But I suspect that if the Bishop had used whatever wording this person thinks are proper for a condemnation, s/he still would refuse to obey him because. I think this puts the HLM in even greater disrepute. No need to write in Spanish but if you want to practice its OK. :o) I have lived in the US for a long timecurrently I am in Argentina for a whileI was received in the Church in the UK so my general Catholic sense is a bit English which is good. Our Mother is not asking us to condone sin by saying forgive everything. If obedience acts to harm, Faith, the a Catholic has a duty not to obey his Superiors. 3) Therefore, Sweeney-Kyle must obey the decision of the competent ecclesiastical authorities (remember, both Lennon and the Holy See were involved in this matter). No less. You neglect to understandand you really should have understood from your correspondence with those whom you consultedthat danger to the true Faith lurks in a lack of authentic Catholic doctrine,or in Scriptural misinterpretation, not in externals such as rosaries, statues, or vocal prayers. I begin to see much more clearly the pernicious vice that has heretofore arisen in this discussion. Are they being disobedient? 2) All Catholics are obliged under Church law to obey the directives of the competent ecclesiastical authority on matters of private revelation. I sincerely hope that you consult an orthodox priest about what I wrote in response to your points. Oh, there are always some of those, but for the most part, people are motivated by their love of God and their desire to experience Him in their lives to a greater degree. This is the man whose discernment about Holy Love ministries you want me to trust? In order to protect their souls. Then, of course, there is beautiful Joan of Arc who refused to disavow her voices when corrupt bishops commanded that she do so. We must not do so. (6) Even unjust or improper suspensions are legally binding. Totus tuus: You indeed are proving the point! This means that pious souls who would be repulsed by crude materialistic greed think nothing of being greedy to know revelations and prophecies. Does he have serious concerns about the personal profits he garnered from the sale of those churches? I feel confident that your heart has hardened to any and all attempts by any of us here, or the Bishop, to common sense and obedience. Very powerful miracle happened to me. They are not. Or Jesus and Mary incessantly talk about U.S. politics, politicians, who to vote for, applauding various election outcomes. In any case, dont post anything on the internet that you are not prepared to defend AND back up with documented, verifiable truth, real truth, not just something you feel is true. It brings an atmosphere that says, Trust God. A non-believer can simply read the older warning messages, dated much before any occurrences, and see for himself. I beg to differ with you. And, that would be the sin of idolatry. That would be tantamount to making the Cross into a god. Bishop Lennon has not taught his people just exactly WHAT is offensive in HLM. And soon the lengthy messages that Sweeney dictated into a tape recorder began denouncing the Catholic Church; others commented on political details of the day. and offer these thoughts. Obedience is how Christ won eternal life for us. I know this was not addressed to me, but I will point out that it is not necessary that there even be a heresy at HLM; all that is necessary for the condemnation is for there to be a supernatural claim and for the bishop to find the claim to be in error. philosophy that goes something like this, That which is obvious admits no debate. Im glad the Vatican is taking an active role. They say so themselves. This is a great test of humility. The devil hates the rosary and would never promote it. His rhetoric is very specific and unique; it is easy to recognize. By the time I stopped at the latter place, I was much more informed and immediately felt the place was creepy for many reasons. No canon lawyer worth their salt would disclose that to anyone who did not have a need to know. I am asking about his stands on all things Catholic. Finally, the Church has spoken authoritatively on Holy Love Ministries and its 83-acre site of Maranatha Spring and Shrine in Ohio. This is not to be confused with graces originating from a supernatural occurrence (such as purported apparitions). This is indeed the teaching of the Catholic Church. Our Lady gave messages for priests and there were many conversions and charisms. The messages portray the Father saying that He is the Virgin Mary: "All must know I am the true Holy Trinity, the true Father, the true Son, the true Holy Spirit. I look only into the heart. Just wait and you will see. El sitio rcspiritualdirection.com fue fundado por Dan Burke, quien trabaja para EWTN y es director ejecutivo del National Catholic Register (periodico de EWTN). The bishops condemned Joan of Arc. (5)The door to the soul is free will. It apparently also makes some Catholics so prideful that theyve decided they know better than the Church, i.e. I feel this person is a prime example of almost a brainwashing of sorts. Protect me from any evil plan Satan may have for me today. May Our Good God Bless All Those Who Read This and may their eyes and minds be opened. Our blessed Mother only comes as a loving Mother trying to bring back her wayward children back to her son. This is a sin. Thanks Kevin. I think of padre piohe once had a vision of jesus with a tear rolling down his cheek. Oh my. It is also best to keep the sarcastic tone to yourself, all right? If Rome asked this bishop to send a report and based upon his observations, this is not a true apparition site, best to obey. You are fixated on your belief that those who do not heed Bishop Lennons advisement (another synonym for admonishment) are therefore disobedient. We have no affiliation with the Diocese of Cleveland. I have seen nothing wrong and feel very peaceful there. People can follow Sweeny-Kyle or the Church, but not both. To be repulsed by Holy Love Ministries is to be repulsed by the true doctrine of the Catholic Faith. This was in the home on Broadview Rd. Does he speak out forcefully on life issues? Help me to be Your instrument in the world. She has asked us to pray for sinners repeatedly. World economy. God bless, Tom. The site has been deemed to be not of supernatural origin and the faithful have been admonished to not visit the site, as well as all clerics forbidden to visit or to administer any and all sacraments at this site. Its nothing more than one mans account of his own personal private revelations from Jesus. and not only were the decree and letter published in English, they were also published in Spanish and Korean undoubtedly to insure that language was not a barrier to getting the information: http://www.dioceseofcleveland.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=343:decree-holy-love-ministries-decreto-ministerios-del-santo-amor-&catid=67. Tell me, was Mother Teresa disobedient? She asked this at Fatima. (1) Our Lady does not need our prayers. Veo que tienes un link para EWTN en su sitio primeraluz.org. How could all these good fruits not be from God? At the age of 14, my father took me to see Maureen and to receive a personal message. Thank you for clarifying, Kevin. I used to wonder why the devil would have a hand in false apparitions when they inspired so many faithful Catholics to increase their prayer life and devotion to God and the Blessed Mother. Recently some friends went on a pilgrimage from North Dakota to Ohio to visit the Holy Love Ministries site where messages and apparitions to a housewife have been reported to be occurring for twenty years. I was Isaac in the story of Abraham and Isaac. Holy Love Ministries responded saying that Bishop Lennon's words were not to be heeded. Or an unfaithful Bishop? I had heard of this before. Padre pio asked why and Jesus turned and looked at his priests who were not tending the flock as they should. Do you lack the intellectual honesty or courage to allow a free debate or are you just an activist journalist pushing an agenda? Thank you so much. Thanks for this information. Give me some more points. The fullness of Truth is found within the Catholic Church, which Jesus founded upon the rock of Peter upon it the gates of hell will never prevail. @3221, you have set yourself up to be the interpreter and arbitrator of Lennons Decree. 4) An HLM organization may not use the name Catholic and is not approved by Lennon. A six-chambered heart is not an apt metaphor for the heart of God. I have an interesting story about another alleged apparition site: Conyers, GA I went to Conyers quite innocently; more or less a tag-a-long with my wife and her sister and mom.
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